01-15-2010, 02:57 PM
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and disgustingly sloppy looking.
I know you're not a guru, but take this Ratisse guy (not calling you out, just using you as an example). Clearly he's good looking, in shape, has style, etc.
I have two friends who when I go out with them, guaranteed, 100% at some point we will be approached by a group of girls. Either indirectly or directly, where one walks up and says, "My friend thinks your friend is hot." Usually we'll talk to the rest of girls (who are usually hot), and I have to admit, a fraction of the girls I've fucked have been from those very conversations. We get wrapped up in a convo with the girls while my friend is working on the girl that picked him, and it's done. But I alone wouldn't have been in those convos without having gone out with those guys.
And even myself. I'm tall as fuck (6'5") fairly in shape, and have style. You know how often I've heard, "Wow, you're tall," and it's led to me fucking the girl? Countless.
Admittedly, before I heard about this shit, when girls would say that to me, I'd stumble around and stutter like a faggot and she'd walk away uninterested. Same goes for after shows and performances, girls would be clearly interested until they talked to me for 3 or 4 minutes. That is until I learned some things.
However, sometimes I get harsh on dudes and say it's so easy, when shit, if I didn't have some of the advantages I have, it would have been hard as fuck too.
I wanna see a fuckin 5'6", fat, balding, ugly hunch back motherfucker who is banging hotties left and right, teach this stuff. I know they're out there, cuz if you go out, sometimes you see a guy with a smokin girl who's clearly into him and you think, "WTF?!?!?!" THAT'S some fuckin game.
We need some fuckin hideous gurus, gotdammit. And I don't mean slightly below average, I mean, utter beasts.
I think Lovedrop is the only one I've seen that I thought, "holy shit, this slob of a human get's girls? Jesus, literally anyone can do this." And I don't even know if he's legit.
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01-15-2010, 03:01 PM
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Frank B. Kermit
He's as fugly as one can get.
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01-15-2010, 03:07 PM
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I went into the seduction phase with cancer, without building rapport first........
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01-15-2010, 03:08 PM
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Me, I'm short (5"10) and fat. Not balding, my hair is awesome.
I pick up girls alot of above my level looks wise.
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01-15-2010, 03:09 PM
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you can't ask them to be fat and out of shape, as i think it is part of the whole thing to care about yourself and go to the fucking treadmill....
but meh i agree. that should be fun.
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01-15-2010, 03:25 PM
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Height is the #1 Attraction switch.
5'10 is not short - that is slightly above average in the US.
I have NEVER taken taller PUA's seriously in this community. There is no reason in the world (except if you look like Jack Black maybe) that you should not be attract or having relationships with women. NONE. I have seen this thru my whole life (I'm a little over 40), in several countries,ect.
Sinn has always said (and I agree with him on this) that Height gives you say an extra 2 to 3 minutes with a girl with any approach. Its a natural attractor for women. He has also said the top three out of the four top PUA's he has ever seen in the field were all over 6'4 (Mystery, Savoy and Brad P). The other of the four is Captain Jack and he is around 5'11 or 6ft.
I have friends that are basically unemployeed, not in shape but are over 6'1 to 6'2 and they get opened by women or can close pretty easily due to height.
I am around 5'7-5'8" so I have my work cut out for me everytime...lol...
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01-15-2010, 03:53 PM
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I'm pretty short(5'8"), but any club I walk into, I know I have the best body, guaranteed. (aside from height lol)
Meh, height hasn't been too much of a problem for me. Then again I noticed I naturally go for girls around my own height to a couple of inches above me. Probably because I can look into their eyes without having to look up. lol
If you're short, just date short girls. There are plenty. I have pulled lots of tall girls but it's generally more annoying imo. I don't like walking down a sidewalk with a girl, with my arm around her, and it only goes 3/4 of the way up her back, while she can put her arm over my shoulders. lol Probably an ego thing, but whatever.
My parents are tiny so I'm glad I'm at least as tall as I am. I thank god that I'm not like 5'4" or something.
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01-15-2010, 03:57 PM
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i am 5'4 , 5'5 tops ..... feel my pain ,
but im good looking so i kinda feel confident because of that sometimes.
however, i have kissed and fooled around with a pretty good bunch of taller women than i (at least with their heels), but i dont think they see themselves in a long-term relationship with a shorter guy, i dunno....
althuogh i do know this friend of mine who doesnt have any looks in his favor, he is as short as i am, and he is in a 4 year relationship with this gorgeous girl taller than him, he is fucking funny thuogh and very social but thats probably a rare exception
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01-15-2010, 04:01 PM
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looks definitely make things easier although you can do without them - just need to work harder.
some gurus use their looks, just another way out of many that they con you, that's all.
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01-15-2010, 04:42 PM
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Why did you get into the community?
You got divorced? Are you in a relationship now?
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01-15-2010, 04:43 PM
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Looks are not everything, but they are far more than most guru's will tell you.
What I love is when good looking guru's tell you that looks do not matter or they are lower on the list. Hogwash. The reason they do is that their industry would crumble if they admitted that looks mattered more than they say they do.
Lets face facts here. If you are taller (say 5'10 or taller) than average you can do VERY WELL. If you have no personality then you will NOT DO AS WELL. But you will do better than a guy who is not as good looking and has a decent personality.
I am realistic. There are alot of women that just will not date shorter men. Its sucks and I go thru it alot. However, there are always exceptions. Younger chicks are pretty bad about it but then they get into their 30's they start to get more realistic.
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01-15-2010, 04:55 PM
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I don't think looks
so much as they
Iow, you can be ugly and get hot girls. I've verified it with my own eyes.
Because other than those two really good looking dudes I know, I know plenty of other dudes that you would never think could get girls, who get plenty of ass seemingly against all odds. They're not hideous, they're just short and stumpy, but they talk shit with the best of them, and girls are on their nuts.
I'm just saying that this shit is very subjective.
So if a "guru" who is good looking, tall, etc. has all that shit going for them, well their style of "game" will mean less to me than a hideous hunchback with a crooked nose and a peg leg.
A dude like that has some real shit to contribute and learn from universally.
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01-15-2010, 05:01 PM
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Both of these traits are able to be cultivated
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01-15-2010, 05:06 PM
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Yes true to an extent...
However, I have not really seen that many bad looking dudes with hot women. Actually quite the opposite. I find that its mostly "like with like."
I mean, why would some hot chick who can have just about anyone they want, want some guy who is out of shape and not that decent looking? That's crazy to me. Now if the guy has money or status as a trade-off, I can see and do quite often. So game is supposed to be the leveler? I have never seen that.
As I have said, I have been burned so much by this community - that I have never really seen good "game" in play. Its a shame for I was really hungry for it and personally did thousands of sets only to really get nowhere.
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01-15-2010, 05:27 PM
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The community goes about getting women in the wrong way.
Most guys I met in this gave up their jobs and go so additcted that all they did was go out and approach women, ruining them finacially and fucking up their carreer and wealth.
Getting better skills was still worth getting into debt and fucking up my credit rating. But I feel scamed that I paid for bootcamps and products as a newbie. If I could do it all over again I would of done things differently.
It's fucked as being poor and approaching high value women can never work consistantly and lead to relationship when the guy is so empty and full of lies. Most girls just walk off straight away and guys go around believing they can reverse this even though they are clearly lost guys approaching lots.
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01-15-2010, 05:28 PM
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Seriously? 5"10 is below average where I'm from. lol.
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01-15-2010, 05:36 PM
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Here in the US the average height is 5'9.5.
In the places like Sweden and Norway where Mr. M does his "10 game" its closer to 6ft.
Then again, in Ireland its like 5'7 so it can vary.....
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01-15-2010, 05:40 PM
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I personally feel used by the community.
Shitty teachers, retarded instructors, weirdo's wearing makeup and using the worst social skills I have ever seen...
Its nothing but a freakshow except for guys like El Topo, Stephen Nash, Scot McKay and Brad Howard. They all have their quirks but they are pretty good to deal with care about their students...
Lovesystems, RSD - both should refund every dollar they have taken.
Bring back 26 as an instructor!...lol...
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01-15-2010, 07:46 PM
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me don't like el topo, he is a thief and his performance in infield insider is fucking lousy.
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01-15-2010, 07:57 PM
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David X is short (i think), fat, balding, fucking ugly (like a frog). me think he doesn't fuck hotties left and right, up and down, front and back.
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01-15-2010, 08:20 PM
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That's what I always say, except for the fat part. They should be short and ugly.
Wanting them to be short, ugly, poorly dressed and fat and even get hot girls is asking too much...
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01-15-2010, 08:28 PM
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short and ugly = mr m (jim stark)
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01-15-2010, 08:36 PM
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Mr. M is not a guru. He's way better. Only 10s game, bro... Only 10s game.
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01-16-2010, 12:58 AM
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I know he's not the flavour of the month around here and I'll get rolled for this but I'm pretty sure Gunwitch was short and (used to be) fat when he was doing this shit. I don't think he was ever overly sloppy though.
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01-16-2010, 01:02 AM
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We have 3 parts too our brains when we think.
The female uses logical first, good looks,height body.
Then reptilian, your personality
Then emotional, attraction
We use reptilian first, body,face
Then emotional,attraction
Then logical is she single? whats the risk? am i good enough?
I know how i used to feel, i used to be judgmental about average looking guys with great looking women so i couldn't deal with what other people would think about me, luckily i got over that b/s.
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01-16-2010, 01:58 AM
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I've never actually seen it, but my uncle used to tell me about this friend of his when he was younger who was ugly and short and bald who would go up to the hottest girl in the club and just talk bullshit to her get her laughing, and the next thing you knew he had fucked her. It's funny, I went to the barber the other day and he told me about his friend who was exactly the same - short, bald, ugly and fat, and would go up to women and bullshit and end up fucking them. Both of these stories were told by guys in their fifties about their short, bald, ugly and fat friend who they used to go out with when they were in their twenties.
I've only ever seen naturals who are usually young and have a good body and they're also "cool", so you'd expect them to get a few girls. I've never actually met a guy that can go into a club and leave within 30 minutes with a hot chick on a regular basis. I have heard plenty of stories of such men. If I met one, I'd interrogate the fuck out of him.
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01-16-2010, 06:36 AM
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I agree that looks matter. But not the way you say it. I don't believe your height is such a problem. Among the best guys I've met, many were around 170cm. They were not bad looking though.
About height being the #1 attraction switch. This is utter bullshit. Sinn is clueless and stupid.(Probably an IQ bellow 60).
I think it is just because you focus on this Height thing that you see it. All my tall friends are not good with girls, actually most of them suck. If looks matter, it is mostly through the cuteness of your face. I see it when I am with girls and they talk what guys they find hot, I see it with guy friends i know. The cute ones have success, not the tall ones.
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01-16-2010, 06:40 AM
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And if you go to Norway and Swedden or any scandinavian countries, where guys are taller, you will notice how the small french, italian or spanish guys get 10 times more girls than the tall scandinavian guys. That destructs again the height argument.
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01-16-2010, 07:52 AM
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lol @ guys quitting their job to chase pussy
bwhahahahaha
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01-16-2010, 08:23 AM
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If the girl feels secure with a guy, then once she gets over his looks, she'll want to be with him. It's only really shallow young women who worry about looks.
However, the ugly guys are never that ugly. We're talking John Goodman ugly, not Elephant man ugly!
Ben
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